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 Post subject: Building garage space
PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:25 pm 
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Anyone out there have experience with building a freestanding garage for your cars ?
Nothing exotic just practical ?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:09 pm 
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Best bang-for-the-temporary-buck are these shelters. Made by various companies in various sizes, they range from $150 - $3,000. You can get them for everything from motorcycles to motor coaches and yachts. Single bay, double bay, end-to-end bays, almost anything you want. Double insulated for 4-Zeason protection and the heavier the framework, the longer the shelter lasts (average 20yrs, but Lucky#13 lived in one for 32yrs and came out perfect). I have slept in one of the double-insulated shelters in the NY Adirondak woods during late snowy Fall and stayed warm, dry and toasty. You can get any size wooden or plastic slatted floors for them too. If you decide you don't like where it is, a few guys can move it elsewhere. These can be made mouse-proof, but you have to keep a bowl of water out for the cat. I consider them a great place to just escape to, whether there's anything parked in it or not. Cool and shady in the summer. You can run electricity to them and some come with windows or reinforced stovepipe donuts in the wall for a wood stove. The single bay shelters take one man about a Saturday to put up; two men less time; beer or helpful wives or sweethearts may add significantly to construction time.

https://www.houzz.com/product/56936743- ... gILP_D_BwE

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:21 pm 
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I was considering something a little bit more substantial :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:52 am 
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Like a Quonset hut?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:50 pm 
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Are you talking about pouring a 4-6 inch concrete pad (with or without footings)? Then 2x4 stick construction, sill plates, lag bolts, door frames, headers and jack studs? Maybe even trenching for electrical service (before pouring the concrete) and a panel box with breakers?

Is that the "more substantial" that you're talking about?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:24 pm 
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Possibly something in between :lol: :lol: :P

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:57 am 
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FM6 wrote:
Possibly something in between :lol: :lol: :P


So many questions must be answered.... Do local laws require a permit for this? If so, you gots to follow their building code requirements which could require you to spend mo $$. And in your neck of the woods what would the tax ramifications be? :roll: (Under a million?) Lol. Do you presently have a location in mind? Would you want a concrete floor or is a dirt floor OK? Can a Lean-to type of construction be put up against an existing structure or building on your property? Think carport. Then enclose it? Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:09 pm 
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If it's free-standing he can avoid all property tax on it (in this state) by elevating it above the deck. If the floor doesn't touch the ground, it isn't a 'building' for tax purposes. He would need a floor strong enough to support the car and himself but still stand up on little feet off the ground. I built a 10x10x14 playhouse off the deck and don't pay any taxes on it.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:11 am 
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:? Elevated? Like suspended in mid air? Like an elephant in the room or playhouse? :P Footings? Concrete piers? Doubled up carrier beams? 2x8 or 2x10 floor joists to carry/hold a two ton load? :roll: 3/4" floor and a ramp to get the Z onto it? Rodents and other pests underneath it? Would you really put Z baby in the playhouse? :cry:

Definitely NOT the way I'd go. I'd rather pay to play to protect loved ones. :D :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:34 am 
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Hi Karl!

I'm with Howie on this one. If it were me it would be one of three choices:
1) Build a permanent garage either pre-fab or kit on a real slab. Rodents are not good.
2) Put up one of those steel fab buildings as advertised on the tube
3) Rent a storage space like the picture

Tax implications and local zoning should be considered. Expensive either way but sometimes the rented space option may be the cheapest way out.

Walsh's Country Store can provide a small garage shipped on a trailer. They do sheds too (I have one). They are located on RT 34 in Seymour CT. Good people and reasonable.
Website: info@walshcountrystore.com

Kloter Farms in Ellington CT offers similar buildings.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:40 am 
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I looked at Klotter Farms before answering Karl, but noticed there is NO WAY you can determine unit cost from their website unless you actually give them your ID info and apply for one. Then they write you back, probably after selling your contact info to everyone on their commercial mailing list. In other words, they require you to give them something before they'll even tell you what their units cost. I simply refuse to do business with people like that and refuse to recommend them, either. I'd rather build my own free-standing garage.

Steel reinforced poured concrete floors with adequate feet on a pad are capable of supporting almost whatever reasonable weight required (picture parking garages). I didn't get the impression Karl wanted to put his Z into a garage extender; I pictured him moving stuff out of his house garage to make room for his two Zs. Maybe I assumed too much.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:08 pm 
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So Karl,
You asked... and we answered. Did we help sway you in one direction or another? Do you now regret asking? :lol: :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:14 pm 
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Frank T wrote:
Steel reinforced poured concrete floors with adequate feet on a pad are capable of supporting almost whatever reasonable weight required (picture parking garages). I didn't get the impression Karl wanted to put his Z into a garage extender; I pictured him moving stuff out of his house garage to make room for his two Zs. Maybe I assumed too much.


Am considering pouring a pad to either put up a steel / wood / structure with electricity possibly in the back yard. I need to look into what a concrete pad might cost me.
As far as the permits etc. I am vice chair of our zoning commission and past chair of our planning commission.
You really can't avoid permits or taxes but If I didn't have anything I wouldn't have to pay.

I also have a space that is currently a storage / office area that might be able to work. I am just beginning to think about options.

Howard I knew it was a loaded question :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

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