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 Post subject: Any photoshop wizards?
PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:31 am 
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Spent a little time chatting with Airjockie this weekend and we had both been pondering the same thing.

370Z, delete the side view mirrors and fab up a trim panel to cover the area left behind and mount up a set of APR carbonfiber GT mirrors or similar on the fenders.

Even kicked around a set of low profile rear/side window lovers that flow with the body lines and a set of Panasports-ish wheels in the right size, but those two things would be substantially more involved.

Anyone with picture-chop prowess want to help a dude out? :shock:

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Gandulf at your service. :lol: give me some good images to work with and i can see what i can do.


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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:28 pm 
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Hey Mike, somehow I thought I would hear from you :)

Mirrors:
http://www.speedzonemotorsports.com/ima ... %20rx7.jpg
http://www.aprperformance.com/images/pr ... 93972B.jpg
On a car:
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo26 ... /car69.jpg

370Z:
http://www.the370z.com/members/370z-alb ... n-site.jpg
http://www.the370z.com/members/370z-alb ... n-site.jpg
http://www.the370z.com/members/370z-alb ... n-site.jpg
http://www.the370z.com/members/370z-alb ... n-site.jpg
embers/370z-albums-pear-white-370z-picture660-pear-white-370z-nissan-site.jpg

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ok so basically i am removing the stock mirror and replacing it with the aftermarket mirror but on the door insead? correct?


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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:58 pm 
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Replacing them with mirrors on the fender, a-la Phrog's carrot car :)

This whole madness started with a photo I have someplace of a yellow 240Z sitting next to a yellow 370Z and wondering how to work a lil oldschool throwback into the new car.

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ok i will see what magic i can do.


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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 3:53 pm 
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here is very quick rough photoshop work. did this at work. please don't judge. :) without seeing them in real life next to the car scaling them is tough but i thought putting them right behind the headlight gives you the fairlady look since the 370z fender are vastyly different from an s30. but flows nice.


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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:39 pm 
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What about Japanese 370s? Don't they come standard with fender mirrors there?


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not that i can find Frank. this would actually be a first for the 370Z it looks like. i am not a big fan of fender mirrors but i have to say i think it works for the 370z.


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OOoo thank you for the chop up Mike. I am really diggin it. Once the car gets out of paint jail, I need to drag it over to AJ's. IIRC he has a set of mirrors along the lines of the ones I linked, I should mock it up in person and see what the consensus is.

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Not sure if I dig the motorcycle mirrors on the fenders. Need MOAR examples.

Mirror stalks need more meat to them, shape of mirror needs improvement. But you could be on to something...

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I am kicking myself, I found a set that would be near spot-on perfect but didn't save the link and cant seem to dig it back up. Instead of the wire-style stalk they had a solid piece that had a supposedly aero-friendly cross shape.

I dug these up, ignore the chrome. Shorter stalk section and a beefier profile. They are made by Craft Square(manf. of a ton of the JGTC aero bits) but are on the spendy side. The first set is actually for a Miata :lol:, but the second would work as well. Might help to have the stalk mount on the mirror set more towards the center of the mirror as opposed to the APR's which set off to the edge. Second set is meant for Supras but should work as well.
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Sorry to be negative, but I feel I've got to be in this case!

1) Those (OR ANY) fender mounted mirrors are UUUUGGGGGLLLLLY!!!
Why would anyone want to disrupt those nice flowing lines of any Z
Car, anyway?

2) By placing sideview mirrors so far forward, I think you would be
drastically reducing your rearward field of vision on either side. Or
at least the clarity. A safety consideration, if nothing else.

3) If the object is to remove the door-mounted mirrors for some
aesthetic reason (which the fender mounted mirrors would negate
anyway), I would consider mounting an interior Winkelmann (Wink)
racing mirror. This would give you zero mirror clutter on the outside,
while giving you a field of vision to the rear all the way from your
forward peripheral vision to the left, to that on the right. For a free
trial you are invited to sit in either our '70 or our 510 to see how you
like it before shelling out any money for one.

FWIW,...........................Rick (and Kathy, of course)

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 12:21 am 
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I like my fender mirrors, honestly. I can see everything behind me and to my sides with no problem, and I only have to move my eyes to do it. Of course, I still have my youthful vision to help me... I also look both ways AFTER I check my mirrors when changing lanes or direction. Even so, my fender mirrors have less blind spots than my door mirrors did.

As for aesthetic reasons, I'd agree with you on the rectangular mirrors that are shown here. Clashes with the lines of the car. Maybe if something rounder was used, but at the same time more angular than the original Fairlady mirrors. I LOVE the way my fender mirrors look on the car, the old Japanese style really grew on me while I built my car until I just had to use them. Now every time I see a first generation Z with door mounted mirrors, or the single door mirror... it bugs me. Weird. The style grew on me that much, to the point where I think normal door mirrors don't look right anymore (on a Z).

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We had a pretty good debate about this, here in this Forum, about two years ago. Couldn't find it in the time I have right now. I think it was one of Clive's early Posts.

The fender-mounts do change the angle, size and location of the driver's blind spots. They are quicker to see than door mirrors, since the driver doesn't have to take his eyes off the road to use them.

In a wheel-to-wheel racing scenario, they became two more objects to get knocked off the car if you get nerffed, and they are harder than blazes to adjust from the driver's seat. If your wheels are out of balance, the bounce gets transferred to any fender-mounts, giving you a blur.

They have to have some solid advantages, tho. All the old Brit sports cars I drove in the 60s had them, and all (I mean ALL) the cars in Japan and Okinawa had them, many of them fish-eye convexes.. It must be a law or a manufacturing code there.


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