Welcome to the Connecticut Z Car Club Forums




Username:  
Password:  
Log me on automatically each visit
Register 
It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:31 pm
Welcome to the Connecticut Z Car Club Discussion Forums   
If you have trouble logging in or encounter any issues, please send an email to webmaster@ctzcc.com.

All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 134 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next
  Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:10 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:53 pm
Posts: 14779
Location: CT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgU48LPZ ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-IZhpI ... ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcLVGMO- ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIyZx8uI ... re=related


Some videos of light construction material (engineered wood) fires.

_________________
1970 240Z


Last edited by Frank T on Mon May 07, 2012 12:02 am, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:45 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:19 pm
Posts: 1644
As an intern at a Design and Remodeling firm I can affirm that Frank is indeed correct in his statement that "engineered lumber" is stronger than the stuff straight off the tree. We are actually doing a job right now where we are using engineered lumber (it's only one beam, phew!) because it's the stronger alternative.


I'll forward the link about the wood over to my boss. It's a good read if nothing else. Sad that it only came up because of others' misfortune.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 2:29 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:11 am
Posts: 596
Location: Finland
My condolences, i did not know the guy (obviously) but he seemed like a great dude to know. May he rezt in peace.

_________________
240zgoldie.blogspot.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 8:44 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:50 pm
Posts: 605
Location: Putnam Valley, NY
My living room ceiling was framed with engineered beams because of its 21' span. They are stiffer, dimensionally stable, and stronger than traditional beams. However, they are only stronger in their intended load direction. They are not very strong when laid on their sides. That's the only engineered wood in our home.

Pre-fab trusses are also fast burning, due to their open nature with multiple joints. When any one of the joints fails, the whole truss fails. Their highly exposed surface area, with thin cross sections, makes them act like loosely stacked kindling.

I suspect, that in the near future, engineered home products will go through a re-evaluation process, and we will see that a fire treatment and rating will be required for all building material. We see it in commercial construction. Why not residential?

The "cookie cutter" homes in developments from 2000-current, are most likely to have light construction.

Agreed, it's so sad that the obvious is often overlooked until tragedy strikes, but we can't live life in constant fear, and nothing is completely foolproof. We do our best with what we have.

_________________
-Dave
76Z Turbo'd
72 In Progress---DONE!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:29 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:42 pm
Posts: 300
^ good points mentioned above Cygnus

also a point of interest is the connection point failure, where the wood product itself doesn't fail but its securing medium does. This is very typical of "gangnails" or the 4" x 4" stamped metal plates with nail-like protrusions, which only penetrate the wood about 3/4". These fail at very low temps (can't remember temp offhand) and generally just suck altogether.

Smoke detectors
Exit plans
escape ladders
carbon monoxide deterctors****


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:36 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:53 pm
Posts: 14779
Location: CT
From what you guyz are describing, the long tedious hours I spent studying Arson Investigation no longer apply. Things I learned about flame propagation, charring and alligatoring would no longer apply to engineered wood, and all those names for 'house parts' and fasteners are obsolete. :cry:

_________________
1970 240Z


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:12 am
Posts: 2228
Location: Darien, CT
Hi guys,

I know it's related but with all due respect, let's leave this thread focused on the Sullivan's. Feel free to discuss construction materials in a new thread within "Off-topic".

Thanks

_________________
Ross Williams
1978 280Z Black Pearl Edition 38k Original Miles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:29 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:19 pm
Posts: 1301
Location: 5 mi. from Frank
Ross.Williams wrote:
Hi guys,

I know it's related but with all due respect, let's leave this thread focused on the Sullivan's. Feel free to discuss construction materials in a new thread within "Off-topic".

Thanks


Sorry, Ross, I think I might have been the person who got it started.
Sorry again.

However, I have gotten to thinking: that 280Z is salvageable. I am
trying to formulate a plan in my mind whereby we can, by donating
parts, labor, or finances, get that baby restored back to where it was,
as a special gift from Z people to young Tommy. The insurance co.,
whether in Michigan or East Oshkosh or Jibru, would probably cover
most of it, maybe even all. But it doesn't cover the human factor.

I perceived that Tom Jr. wasn't really into cars like his Dad. But maybe
by our doing something on the 280, he might come to realize that he
may have lost his family, but there is a whole 'nother family who cares
about him as a person and who would like to welcome him into our
midst as the new owner and driver of "SULLY'S Z." As a special tribute
to his Dad and his family, if you will. AND AS OUR NEW Z BROTHER.

All Z Best,............................Kathy & Rick

_________________
All Z Best,.......Kathy & Rick

1969 Z.CAR (#00013 10/69) 8/30/76
1969 ITSA.Z (#00171 11/69) 8/24/73
1970 OLD.Z (#06289 6/70) original owner
1971 510 2dr since 12/31/75
1969 1600 rdstr (our 160-Z)
1971 (#19851 1/71) sold
1975 75.Z (#01343 1/75)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 8:17 pm
Posts: 2148
Location: Colchester, Ct
Rick, I'm sure that we all have had similiar thoughts regarding the future of Sully's Z, however bear in mind that young Tommy is only 20 years old, in college with a lot of decisions ahead of him. Though I'm sure he would probably love to have his dad's special 280Z to cherish in the future, I'm not sure that he is in a position to be able to take on that responsibility. Now, if we could somehow restore it and put in a time capsule where it would be accessible if and when Tommy Jr is ready....

_________________
Phil
1981 280zxt - Now in the care my son!
2014 370Z Sports Touring Roadster


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:59 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:53 pm
Posts: 14779
Location: CT
Today's update:

http://www.lohud.com/article/20120507/N ... armel-fire

_________________
1970 240Z


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:02 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:27 pm
Posts: 43
phil280zxt wrote:
Now, if we could somehow restore it and put in a time capsule where it would be accessible if and when Tommy Jr is ready....


One thought that I had was bringing it to our various BBQ's and shows, either in it's existing or restored condition, and having the various projects that have been started for Tommy Jr.'s benefit (t-shirts, licence plates etc) displayed and sold on a table in front of it.

Just a thought.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:35 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:53 pm
Posts: 14779
Location: CT
http://www.firehouse.com/news/10710892/ ... nstruction :cry:


http://www.lohud.com/article/20120505/N ... ily-Carmel :cry:


http://www.lohud.com/VideoNetwork/16234 ... ly-Funeral :cry:

If you study the pictures, you'll see our member Scotty Cole from RDZ standing behind Tommy junior.

_________________
1970 240Z


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:07 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:55 pm
Posts: 1056
Location: NEW CITY, NY
THERE WILL A NEW ADDRESS TO SEND FUNDS - STAND BY UNTIL THE AM.

Ross, this will be going out in the club email I send out very soon.

Thanks

_________________
Clive Bogle President - New York Z Car Club - NYZCC.COM
1971 240Z - LS1/T56
1974 260Z-L30
1976 Fairlady Z
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:08 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:53 pm
Posts: 14779
Location: CT
Our NY member Tom Wasney sends this on to us.....


http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/news/hobby ... id=3406150

_________________
1970 240Z


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:23 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:55 pm
Posts: 1056
Location: NEW CITY, NY
UPDATE


Any donations can be sent to:
Thomas J Sullivan Jr Fund
PO Box 473 Commack, NY 11725

_________________
Clive Bogle President - New York Z Car Club - NYZCC.COM
1971 240Z - LS1/T56
1974 260Z-L30
1976 Fairlady Z
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 134 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron









Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
mile200 v1.0.1 designed by Team -Programming forum- .