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 Post subject: Original TT&L Document
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:47 pm 
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Continuing thru the old files, I came across my original loan papers, including the TT&L document. Given that the MSRP on the base car was $3,601, I paid $1,044 over list including options - those being:
- Dealer installed A/C, retail $???
- Center console arm rest, retail $10.15
- Datsun AM/FM radio, retail $???
- Front bumper guard, retail $25.45
- Rear bumper guard, retail $30.55
- Side tape stripe, retail $???
- BRE Front Spook, retail $???
- BRE Rear Spoiler, retail $???

I wonder how many people today would pay 29% over MSRP for an optioned-up car?

At least the document # begins with "Z"!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:52 pm 
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Dealer Installed A/C = $395.00
Datsun AM/FM - installed - $49.95
$10.15
$25.45
$30.55
Side Tape Strip - $29.95
BRE Front Spook - installed? - - $69.95
BRE Rear Spoiler - installed? - - - $79.95

$690.95

How did you get tha car without buying MAG's on it ??? If you got the installed equipment, you really only paid about $300.00 over retail.. That would have been a heck of a DEAL in March of 71.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:01 pm 
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I don't get the SURRENDERED TITLE entry ~ does that mean "Manufacturer, Connecticut"?

JIM! WERE YOU A YANKEE??? :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:48 am 
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Thanks Carl, count on you to come up with little known details. So as you point out, I really did get a heck of a deal. Whoo Hoooo!!!

All items listed were installed at the time of purchase. I originally found the car on the showroom floor, heavily loaded including an 8-track system (with tacky speaker enclosures mounted to the package deck) and very wide alloy wheels shod with racing rubber - clearly marked not street legal. The wheels and tires added a huge amount to the asking price of the car, I don't remember the figure but it apparantly was enough to scare off other buyers. After I pointed out the problem with the tires, the deal I cut swapped the racing wheels/tires back to stock wheels/tires and the 8-track system and speakers for the AM/FM unit.

Hey Frank, we know the manufacturer's certificate was surrendered since this was a new car not previously titled. And yes, I were a yankee, having been born in Dayton Ohio. But like so many others, I hurried to Texas as fast as I could! :D

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:36 am 
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:lol:

Smart man! :wink:


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 Post subject: My First 240Z
PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:05 pm 
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Here's on for you... I paid cash for my 70 240Z - -but I was about $59.80 short - the Dealer let me pay it a couple months later... I was in the USAF then and had just gotten back from overseas.... and was waiting on my pay to catch up with me... $58.00 was BIG MONEY THEN... :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:12 pm 
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Wow ~ little did that salesman know what a lifetime addiction he was unleashing when he handed you those keys.

Nice to know what you were doing while I was "enjoying my all-expenses-paid tour of SouthEast Asia". My 02807 was being built as you took delivery of your 01777. Yours had to be a January car, Ja? Dave's 0958 and Dan's 01651 are January, and Clive's 01905 is February.

Frank
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:55 pm 
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So Carl, what ever happened to #01777? I can't believe you actually got rid of an "original owner series one early 240Z"??

:wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:37 am 
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Frank T wrote:
Wow ~ little did that salesman know what a lifetime addiction he was unleashing when he handed you those keys.


Hi Frank:
Little did he know then, but he knows now. We are still friends to this day. For the Datsun trivia crowd - you might notice that the "salesman" is Paul Jaremko. He won Datsun their first SCCA Divisional Championship in 1964 in a Datsun SPL310 roadster. He is mentioned in Rae's book

"Then as more and better Datsun's arrived on the market, the racing record began to grow. In 1964 Paul Jaremko, who was not only a race driver but also a Datsun Dealer in Spokane, Washington, completed fourteen successive victories in a Datsun SPL310 sports car. The record accumulated steadily..."

Frank T wrote:
Nice to know what you were doing while I was "enjoying my all-expenses-paid tour of SouthEast Asia".


Yes - I had just returned from Thailand - where we were busy sending B52's your way. My primary speciality was Logistics {Supply}.. but my secondary speciality was A.F. Security Police and in Thailand I was assigned "Perimeter Guard Duty"... Remind me to tell you about that the next time we get together...

BTW - My Marksmanship Instructor was CMsgt. Sharp {an Olympic Marksman that helped convince General LeMay to buy the AR-15/M16's for SAC Security Police - before the Army would buy them}. CMsgt. Sharp taught at the A.F. Survival Training School in Spokane {Fairchild AFB}.

Frank T wrote:
My 02807 was being built as you took delivery of your 01777. Yours had to be a January car, Ja? Dave's 0958 and Dan's 01651 are January, and Clive's 01905 is February.


To tell you the truth I'm pretty sure it was a 12/69 car, but it could have been an 01/70. At the time I really didn't pay attention to that. A friend of mine had 1776 and it was a 12/69 car along with 1321... not sure how that happened

FWIW,
Carl B.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:55 am 
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zcar70 wrote:
So Carl, what ever happened to #01777? I can't believe you actually got rid of an "original owner series one early 240Z"??

:wink:


Hi John:
If only we had known then....:roll:

To tell you the truth - I put just over 68,000 miles on that Z in 18 months. During that time I burned the entire engine wiring harness out {installed Cibie BIODE's incorrectly}, had the shocks rebuilt about five times {paid for by Nissan - as they knew they had problems with them}. It was rode hard and put away wet many times...

By the end of 1971 I was working for the Dealer selling Datsun's part-time when in the States - and I sold my 70 for $1000.00 more than I had paid for it - then bought the Metallic Blue 72 that I still have today. I really liked all the improvements that were made with the 72 Models... but mostly the seat backs that flipped forward and had a broader back rest adjustment range, as well as the better Type B transmission. Also by 72 many of the body panels were galvanized metal...

At the time low VIN's and Series I's were simply last years used cars...

FWIW,
Carl B.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:00 am 
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[quote

had the shocks rebuilt about five times {paid for by Nissan - as they knew they had problems with them}. [/quote]

Which makes me wonder.....

How many other early build "problems" did Nissan experience with the first Z-Cars?

I suspect that one of them was the headlight harness connection. When I stripped my 240Z for restoration, I discovered that the headlight harness plug was GONE and that they had been HARD WIRED! I am guessing that the early cars left the wire harness connector for the headlights exposed to the elements and that they began to fail. The original owner of my car gave me a huge file of every receipt for the car up to 1979, so I went through it and sure enough found a repair order from a Datsun dealer to fix the non-working headlights UNDER WARRANTY. Do you think Nissan was on to this or was the hard-wiring a quick fix from the dealer?

ALSO, the original Type A 4 speed transmission failed at a mere 23,000 miles. Nissan paid for the tranny to be rebuilt at the dealer and it worked fine from then on. Did the early transmissions have a failure problem as well?

What say you Carl?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:14 am 
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Hi John:
Problems with the front suspension, aerodynamic lift and a steering rack that was too lose were the main problems I had with 1777. The wiring harness was entirely my fault... The Type A tranny was perfect when I sold the car...

I did not realize that the CIBIE BIODES used a METAL back, rather than the more usual glass coated backing we see here in the US on headlights. When I had the headlight buckets out of the car, laid out on the ground - with the BIODE's installed - everything worked fine and checked out OK. When I installed the headlight buckets {the metal part that bolts inside the front fender} back into the car - turned the headlights on - and they blew the fuses. Hummmm.....

Keep in mind I was da...25 years old then.... I figured that the BIODE's simply needed a bit more juice than the OEM seal beams. So.. yes .. . I installed higher amp. fuses... and they blew after a few seconds. Wondering how much current could a set of headlights draw.... I did the old, wrap the blown fuse in tinfoil.. and reinstall... That worked, and the BIODES stayed on - - - as I started to smell the insulation burning... YIEKS!!! By the time I got the battery disconnected, the entire engine bay/headlight wiring harness was TOAST.

In hindsight - I realized that the metal backing on the BIODE's created a dead short when bolted to the body. After having the front end of the car rewired by an Automotive Electrical Specialist.. I wound up with the headlights relayed, and the backs of the BIODE's insulated.... At that point I had WONDERFUL headlights.... and about $475.00 less dollars in my pocket. The guy at the Electrical Shop said he had never seen such a bazaar electrical circuit used in a car... he thought it was really stupid to begin with - not counting my stupidity. Keep in mind that at that point - the Datsun Parts Dept. didn't have any spares for the Z - They said it might take weeks to get a new OEM harness...

The original shocks were pretty weak - and the shock rod seals would wear out pre-maturely and start to pump the oil out of the shocks. Secondly the valve'ing was too weak on rebound and that made the lift on the front at speed even worse. With bad shocks the front end would set up a vibration in the steering {like the wheels were out of balance}... The front end vibration would in turn shake the steering rack, which was mounted in too soft a rubber mounts... By the end of the first six months Nissan had suggested that we try putting a spacer in the rack mounts {we used lead stick-on Mag wheel weights} and they supplied what looked like a muffler clamp, with a rubber nose - that went between the steering rack and the front cross member... this later became standard on all the early Z's.

The front end lift was slightly improved with better shock valve'ing - but cured by the BRE Front Spook.

I can't remember exactly when - but Nissan did do a better job of weatherproofing the headlight wiring some time later - I do know that I noticed the difference when I was working on my 72Z...

During all this - I was completely SOLD on DATSUN. Even though we had a few problems with the car - Nissan stood behind it 100% and WAY past any warranted mileage limit. It was never a hassle getting the Factory Rep's to authorize repairs well past the warranty period...

FWIW,
Carl B.


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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:53 pm 
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Great reading here. Next week I'll fire up my cantankerous scanner and scan some of the paperwork that came with my 72. I have a ton of interesting original paperwork, and booklets.

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Well this might be better served in another Forum post, but how many of these problems did you encounter with your Baja car, Carl?

I suspect it was an entirely different machine, built with different goals in mind?


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